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Florida
Jul 24, 2011 8:50:56 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Jul 24, 2011 8:50:56 GMT -5
AMELIA ISLAND: FAIR (3)
I used to have a beachfront condo on Amelia Island Plantation in Jacksonville. We went there primarily during winter (December and January), to avoid Chicago winters.
When we first purchased it in 1998, it felt really good. Over time, it felt much less good.
Part of this was likely because the condo itself went moldy (the management eventually figured this out and did a big remediation). But I am not convinced that the air, even on the beachfront, was terribly good either. I remember a few days on my last visit there (December 2007) when the sun would come out and both my husband and I felt much more energetic. That makes me think that the air quality on the other days was not very good.
Probably it was a still a bit better than Chicago, during winter months, in terms of how it made me feel. Not much better though.
Amelia Island is only a short distance from Jacksonville, where I never felt good and always tried to avoid. (2-POOR)
Once I drove to St. Augustine and felt particularly bad there. (1-AWFUL)
ORLANDO: AWFUL (1)
I spent a few days at a conference at Disney World in 1998, and walked around the Epcot Center for a while. I felt quite bad, in a way that makes me think that there was a lot of the worst toxin for me there.
I stayed at a hotel near Epcot Center, with a “boardwalk” theme. I felt about the same inside and outside the hotel, maybe worse outside.
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khaly
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Jul 24, 2011 22:07:56 GMT -5
Post by khaly on Jul 24, 2011 22:07:56 GMT -5
St. Petersburg Beach, Treasure Island, Mad Beach, all fairly good. I forgot the rating system already, but I guess 4? Not great, but better than fair? With the exception of the big pink albatross called the Don Cesar - definitely 1 AWFUL.
Further inland, in St. Petersburg proper - fair. (3). There are some spots that feel bad, but overall it's a navigable place for a moldie.
Upper Pinellas County (north of St. Petersburg) - includes Clearwater, Holiday, New Port Richey - ranges from (3) fair to (1) awful.
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Jul 28, 2011 15:23:15 GMT -5
Post by wigwam on Jul 28, 2011 15:23:15 GMT -5
ORLANDO: AWFUL (1) - since late 1990's. It was fabulous including Silver Springs, etc in the 50's. Now it is so full of 'ick' I avoid entire area if possible. I lived for a few years 2001-2003 on Pass-a-Grille Beach at the tip of St. Petersburg Beach. The cross winds are very strong across the island there directly from the Gulf which gives it a 5 - EXCELLENT. Unless the 'ick" is in the WATER at the time you are there. Neuro-toxic Red Tide gave it a 1 AWFUL for those three years. Most of the rentals and homes from low to high price ranges have gorgeous views but can be moldy and full of old pesticides. Same as you travel north up the Gulf to Treasure Island, Mad Beach, etc. all good air tho quality decreases as you drive north as congestion increases. At the border of Pass-a-Grille (historic beach town) and St. Pete Beach ( jammed with condos) sits the infamous Don Cesar - definitely 1 AWFUL. Unless you simply enjoy it from the Gulf side for free. Inside is a NO for me. Further inland, in St. Petersburg proper - was AWFUL (1) for me. Although I suspect it was the specific neighborhood and water I was near (Snell Isle/Coffee Pot Bayou)...There are some spots that felt better but I was so sick from home territory it would be difficult for me to compare. New Port Richey: AWFUL (1). This is a very low lying area that floods frequently. It is also forested tho at the edge of the extremely developed portions of Pinellas County. Heat + Moisture + Organic material = Mold. The residue of years of flooding and controlled or uncontrolled forest burns make it a no for me. NORTH FLORIDA/PANHANDLE As of 2011, this remains a relatively undiscovered and undeveloped portion of Florida. There are miles of National Park beaches between Ft. Walton and Pensacola....These all rate a 5 (excellent). There are several campsites along the north Gulf Coast... excellent weather to camp is September through April conservatively. The towns themselves that sit just inland from the barrier island: Destin, Ft. Walton, Pensacola, each have industry (from marine industry to Monsanto to old coal generated steam plants) that can make sections of each town vary from (1) AWFUL to (5) EXCELLENT depending on the direction and strength of the wind. The closer to the beach by the block is better. Directly on the beach is best. I find it the easiest place in the Southeast to escape the ick because I can be directly on Gulf in salt air in 2 minutes. The homes are surprisingly less moldy than those in inland cities of the southeast I have lived in (Asheville,NC, Memphis/NashvilleTN ). In general I do not "fear" visiting in homes here re: mold, tho other chem use in homes varies as it would in any town. Less mold + chem for me here on north gulf beaches. Downtown architecture is beautiful. I stay on 'alert' and avoid restaurants at the hint of mold. Their restaurant chemicals + mold = a breathing treatment at the beach. There are over 30 miles of National Seashore Park on this island (named Santa Rosa Island). Unpopulated. I do NOT yet know if the dispersants from the oil spill have created looming 'ick'. I have not felt it yet. July 2011. GULF BREEZE - a gorgeous small town that sits on its own peninsula between the town of Pensacola and the Island (Pensacola Beach / Navarre Beach). The peninsula is surrounded by Gulf breezes literally and outdoors outside of neighborhoods is a 5 EXCELLENT. However,walking in the neighborhoods, I smelled/felt much 'ick'...it smelled like old and I suspect buried marine/petroleum products. That together with mold remaining from hurricanes in houses there made me feel 1 AWFUL. Another town that has good salt air..but you have to stay on the water, or move with the air to get the best benefits. Further east, the beach town Destin has become very congested. I won't attempt to rate it...because I won't attempt to go there now. Read more: locationseffect.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=us&thread=6&page=1#157#ixzz1TQfnPdma
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khaly
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Jul 30, 2011 12:10:09 GMT -5
Post by khaly on Jul 30, 2011 12:10:09 GMT -5
Hi Wigwam. I agree, Passagrille Beach is one of my absolute favorite places. Every time I head to Florida I spend as much time as I can there.
Also interesting that you find the Snell Isle/Coffeepot area so bad. My sister lives there. I can't stand to visit her there. It's disastrously bad. Beautiful houses out that way, and people spend a lot of money to live in a really toxic zone.
Also awful - the St. Petersburg side of the Gandy Bridge.
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polbe
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Sept 8, 2011 20:08:51 GMT -5
Post by polbe on Sept 8, 2011 20:08:51 GMT -5
I was in Sarasota and Miami Beach several times during the 1990s and early 2000s, at various times of year. I was a bit better than in north eastern US/Ontario. I was a "2".
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Sept 12, 2011 7:39:52 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Sept 12, 2011 7:39:52 GMT -5
Here are some comments from Erik Johnson about his trip to Florida a number of years ago. Best, Lisa * Florida was about like everywhere else, far as I can tell: sourcepoints surrounded by intermittent plumage. Everyone told me that Florida would be the worst place on the planet for someone like me, yet I had a wonderful time in Clearwater, Tampa and Busch Gardens. The only town that I remember being ambiently bad enough that I couldn't wait to get out of there was Tampa's Little Havana section. This area felt about the same to me as Old Town Sacramento. Fun to visit. Can't stay long. Decontaminate afterwards. And yes, I was a bit surprised that Florida wasn't worse than it was. That went a long way toward shaking me out of trying to make predictions on bad locations. -Erik (2008, CFSU) * I felt GREAT in St. Petes! But only because I was careful to stay out of the mold plumes. There were quite a few monster plumes there and it took a fair bit of effort to stay out of them. Took the kayak tour down the Hillsborough river. www.canoeescape.com/-Erik (2005, Locations)
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Florida
Nov 13, 2011 13:11:54 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 13, 2011 13:11:54 GMT -5
Here's a report from Paul Beith:
I received a post yesterday from a Fibro person whose symptoms disappear when she's in Miami. She's lucky: most people have to go a bit further south.
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Florida
Nov 14, 2011 14:15:14 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 14, 2011 14:15:14 GMT -5
A report from this database. Scale is 1-10. (0=worst possible, 10=completely healthy) health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS....eportRows&tbl=1From: CR Ft Lauderdale Score: 2 Very hot and humid in September and October. I was so ill I had to stay longer than I planned before I could muster the energy to come back home.
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Florida
Nov 15, 2011 10:43:50 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 15, 2011 10:43:50 GMT -5
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Florida
Nov 16, 2011 13:33:33 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 16, 2011 13:33:33 GMT -5
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Florida
Nov 17, 2011 10:12:05 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 17, 2011 10:12:05 GMT -5
A report: St George's Island (and its companion, Dog Island), that brings back memories, one of my favorite places in the world, just incredibly serene. Especially the FL State Park on St George's. I never made the 'feel good' connection before, but we used to go there regularly when I was starting to have some pre-CFS symptoms, while at FSU. And I always felt better after the trip out to the island, although that might just have been due to decompressing. Also probably very low EMF, due to the shape of the island, if you drive out to the Eastern point, through the park, you are pretty much in the middle of a large expanse of the Gulf... -Kurt forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?13799-Mold-or-Oxygen-Feel-better-in-Hawaii/page8
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Florida
Nov 18, 2011 9:10:44 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 18, 2011 9:10:44 GMT -5
A report from 2005: I lived in Northern FL the year before I got sick, and know people still in FL with CFS who developed it around the time I did. Some ‘trigger’ went around FL in the early 90s, I believe, a cluster perhaps. Maybe one of the hurricanes increased the mold levels… ? Anyway, one thought about St Pete – I also spent some time there and come to think of it did feel better there than in the rest of FL. But I was right on the gulf, not inland. Maybe there is something to that. Here are the factors that seem logical – St Pete/Tampa has a very unique weather pattern, with the bay as well as the gulf. There is a LOT of salt in the air, parts of St Pete are like being on an island. And salt mist is a newly discovered treatment for respiratory issues. Also, probably very low pollens if you are near the coast because the air is from over the ocean (due to wind patterns). Very clean air, like some areas of the Pacific coast. And then of course the ions also. And maybe the clean wind helps clear the air of molds as well. So a lot of atmospheric factors. But then that would probably only apply to people who had these issues as their primary cause of CFS… -Kurt health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/1989?l=1
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Florida
Nov 18, 2011 9:17:26 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 18, 2011 9:17:26 GMT -5
A report from 2005: When in Florida I did feel better when on the coast line anywhere else was bad. Could not find much help medically either and doctors that I did see said their CFIDS patients that improved had moved away in order to improve. I moved away. I lived west of Tampa. Fatigue, brain fog, fibromyalgia, mcs, I needed extra oxygen. I stayed at about a 3. I felt better at the coast but could not afford to live there year round. All the pesticide use in fl was hard to deal with. I moved to coast in Costa Rica where I stay at about a 7. I also spend some time in the mountains of NC also much more good days there. In Fl I spent four years initially in bed early 1990's then would improve at the coast but had relapses in land. All my out of state sources recommend move out of Fl which I did as soon as financially possible. -ncmommysf health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/1990?l=1
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Florida
Nov 18, 2011 9:24:20 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 18, 2011 9:24:20 GMT -5
A report from 2005: I presently live in PA, and the Northeast, in general, seems to make me worse. I think it is due to the humidity, the poor air quality, and the allergens (trees, etc). I have been to the St Pete/Tampa area, and have felt better there. I do know that, the further south I go, from PA, the better I feel; perhaps this is due to the decreasing altitude (overall), and/or the improved air quality?) I would consider a move there if I could establish my 'medical support system" (ie., the needed drs) there. I have been close to the equator, and have felt good, but the heat can be brutal -Les health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/1979?l=1
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Florida
Nov 19, 2011 10:02:33 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 19, 2011 10:02:33 GMT -5
A report from 2002: I've had CFS for years. There's been too many flares for me to correlate it with weather conditions. But I have heard many say that they feel worse when it has rained for days, high humidity, etc. I visited St. Cloud, Florida in the last couple of years. It's in the Kissimmee area, and I felt great. But I was with good people, too. And the trip was short. It's not a coastal area, but a good climate, clean air. But I don't know what its like when bad weather hits. We've had lots of rain here recently. I'm in north Mississippi, btw. The ground is saturated, creeks are overflowing, and the delta is flooding. I'm feeling more aches than usual. Summers here are worse, though. Normal people die from the heat and humidity here. -Mary Lee health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/53?l=1
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Nov 19, 2011 10:13:32 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 19, 2011 10:13:32 GMT -5
A report from 2002: I've been battling CFS, full force, since 1997. This past year I noticed a pattern in my health. Living down here in South Florida we don't have many changes from one season to the next. So I refer to everything as "time of year". Well what I noticed is that just about every year, since 1997, my CFS gets worse right near/after Memorial Day...which is in the end of May. The first year was the worst, naturally, as b/c I was in the first stages of this illness. The next few years varied. Sometimes I would only be affected for 2 months and other's more. This past Memorial Day (2001) was the 2nd worst for me though. My down time was from June until December. I'm trying to figure out what is in the climate here that could have such a serious affect on me. I'm sure that you're thinking "summer", but it feels like summer here all year round. It does get a little hotter, but not much. The only thing that I can come up with is that May starts our rainy season, which lasts the whole summer. Currently (March), I'm doing horrible but it is mainly cognitive problems. My energy did get better in December, but my thinking got worse. It is kind of normal for a new symptom to show up and hit me full force though. So that's what I think it is. (I've had cognitive problems the whole time I have had CFS, but currently it's about as bad as the first stage...if not worse) Michelle health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/47?l=1
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Florida
Nov 19, 2011 10:16:54 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 19, 2011 10:16:54 GMT -5
A report from someone with moderate CFS living in Chicago (and who did not improve in Key West, Florida):
I've been to a number of different islands in the Caribbean and always have felt good on all of them. I like St. Martin alot (the French side, which is less packed with tons of tourists compared to the Dutch side, St. Maarten, which is much more crowded). I like Puerto Rico too.
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Nov 19, 2011 10:20:01 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Nov 19, 2011 10:20:01 GMT -5
A report from 2002: Have to admit that in my three visits to Ft. Myers, including one week in January the first trip, two weeks in January the second, and three weeks in August the third, I always have felt BETTER than I feel in Minnesota. Not necessarily 'great,' but certainly better. Karen in MN health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/40?l=1* Three times in the last five years, I've flown from Minneapolis to Ft. Myers to spend some time with an aunt there. First time: in January for one week, second: the next January for two weeks, third time: in August (!) for three weeks. During each of these trips, I reduced dramatically the amount of pain meds. Especially dramatic was the third trip in August. I didn't mind the heat at all, my aunt and I used the heated pool in the complex's courtyard about five times a week, and after the second day, I didn't take pain meds even once. Of course, each time I returned to Minneapolis, the pain and other symptoms returned in full force. -Karen health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS_CFIDS_ME/message/14?l=1
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Dec 14, 2011 21:31:02 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Dec 14, 2011 21:31:02 GMT -5
A mold avoider (CFS/MCS) I trust wrote to me the following about a visit in December 2011:
I recommend Osceola National Forest. It is amazing here. It is so peaceful, idyllic. My whole musculature relaxes. I remmeber this from before. So far it's the best place in the southeast but I have yet to try the gulf coast where, apparently the waters are clear and green (florida gulf coast) and also, I have yet to try Ocala forest.
It's hot and clear and in the 70's today. And I haven't seen ANY chemtrails. Ah the normal puffy little clouds. I don't remember this area being chemtrailed much anyway. It was incessant around Atlanta and disgusting.
Anyway, it's December, it was freezing in Macon, Ga. (4 hours north) and it's like a lovely if slightly hot summer day here. So you'd only want to camp here from Nov-March.
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Jan 1, 2012 19:06:03 GMT -5
Post by jenbooks on Jan 1, 2012 19:06:03 GMT -5
Osceola National Forest: Very very good as long as you can deal with a damp wonderland that has some molds, however being mostly pine forest, it's not nearly as bad as very deciduous forests.
Wellington/Lake Worth area: Good in winter.
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Jun 27, 2012 1:30:40 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Jun 27, 2012 1:30:40 GMT -5
A report from June 2012 from a mold avoider:
>I was recently in New Hampshire and spent weekends in Amesbury, MA the latter helped me alot!!! This town is clean and our daughters home is free of mold. I am presently on the ocean in Vilano Beach north of St Augustine and doing well here. The east coast is working out for me as long as I stay close to the ocean. I also do well in clean wooded areas like in New Hampshire. I did well on the coast of Maine.
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Post by tashalee on Dec 8, 2014 10:24:33 GMT -5
2014, December My background: CFS, deficiencies, recently discovered black mold as the cause of many of them, currently extremely sensitive (MCS).
Living in Palm Beach County (Jupiter, North Palm Beach, West Palm Beach, Delray Beach, etc.) Some locations better than others. Shady apartment complex we are in now is extremely moldy outside and I feel terrible. State parks moldy, don't feel good either. Feel better at the beach, with direct beach wind and sun.
Yesterday drove down to Hollywood area (closer to Ft. Lauderdale, Broward county) and the air was awful. Did some chemical just get spilled on that day or what? The air looked so thick like a fire, but there was no fire.
Inland areas can be okay if it is sunny, but then the lawn maintenance comes (everywhere here in Palm Beach county) and the pesticides make me feel awful.
Beach is good. Haven't been to other beaches since this recent turn of health so not sure how they compare.
Everyone tells me to get out of Florida if I have mold illness, since it is the worst here. Apartment complexes seem full of mold or strong chemicals to kill mold. Both are problematic for me. Gonna try some tile floor buildings but I suspect mold in walls. Hotels we've stayed in, all of them, cheap to expensive, I have major mold symptoms in and cannot tolerate.
Rating: 3? If you can afford a beach condo, might be nice. But could be a moldy building too. I'd like to stay 24/7 on the beach, in the sand. Only place here I feel good.
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Jun 24, 2015 15:59:08 GMT -5
Post by Lisa Petrison on Jun 24, 2015 15:59:08 GMT -5
Here is a report mentioning Florida that someone asked me to post for them on this board.
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My most recent diagnosis is hypersensitivity to environmental toxins, specifically mold. I have also been diagnosed with migraines, tension headaches, fibromyalgia, chronic sinus infections, ear infections, depression, seasonal affective disorder, and felt like an arthritic 80 year old when I was 40. Most of those symptoms are gone due to changes in diet, moving out of moldy homes, and moving to a drier climate.
Cote d'Ivoire, in West Africa. Rating: 1 I had to leave the country within months of my arrival. I lived 4 hours inland (north) from the coast, at about 11 or 12 degrees north of the equator. The area was mainly savannah, but there was a very rainy season. Primary mold source: soil (I planted a garden.) 2nd source: airborne.
West Palm Beach, FL rating 1. There is mold everywhere! I got sick from 3 different sources. One problem was outdoors: irrigation systems caused lawns, golf courses, soccer fields, and most parks with grass to be full of mold! Inside of public buildings: schools, churches, and department stores...nearly all had roof leaks during past hurricanes. Roof repairs were made without removal of wet building materials underneath. You cannot see the mold, but sometimes you will notice water stains on ceilings. The third source was outdoor A/C units of private homes and high levels of mold in duct work.
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN Rating: 3. Freezing temps for 4+ months and longer in the north keep outdoor mold dormant. However, most homes have basements that have had water damage and smell musty...a sure sign of mold. Outdoor A/C units often carry mold into and throughout homes.
Southern Wisconsin Rating: 3. Same description as MN, but shorter winter. I lived in a mold infested house. All four family members (kids 9 & 12) diagnosed with depression. 3 of us had sinus problems, and both kids developed asthma between ages 5 & 7. I experienced my worst physical health ever and had terrible mood swings on top of it. We lived in that house, ignorant, for 9 years.
Denver, CO. Rating: 3.5. Homes w/o basements make it easier to find a mold free home. Legalized pot adds risk of mold exposures through second hand smoke or residue on people's clothing. Springtime rain was abundant in 2015, making outdoor mold worse than usual.
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Post by Aerose on Apr 15, 2016 13:00:21 GMT -5
Ive been in Destin/Mirimar now since early March and its late April. First couple weeks were good (4) but once the first storms came in with the mugginess and humidity its been a gradual down slide since. Even the occasioanl sunny day that isnt humid now is no better and i feel just as bad as i did in my moldy house in Connecticut. Destin is a 1
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Apr 3, 2019 12:33:54 GMT -5
Post by Tutudese on Apr 3, 2019 12:33:54 GMT -5
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Apr 28, 2019 5:17:33 GMT -5
Post by Vidmdese on Apr 28, 2019 5:17:33 GMT -5
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May 11, 2019 23:30:26 GMT -5
Post by Chrisdese on May 11, 2019 23:30:26 GMT -5
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Sept 28, 2019 16:48:27 GMT -5
Post by Jane on Sept 28, 2019 16:48:27 GMT -5
Thank you for this thread.
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